After Toil Comes Rest-Genealogy Musgrove, Holder, Buckmaster, McIntire
Stories of My Family
Hi Andrea, I think I missed you at the reunion this year, Your cousin and mine, Jan Buckmaster-Hinton and I went down to Texoma and we thoroughly enjoyed it. It had been on our bucket list for some time,
I just had my DNA done and it showed I was 93% British Isles which of course includes Ireland where my dad’s family came from. The remainder 7% shows unknown which I suppose comes from Dovey Pearcy Buckmaster who was half indian.
I am so pleased to find your site and I will continue t0 follow it and offer any new information I get.
Hi, Patty – Thank you for following my blog. Today, I posted my research on Charles Wilson Buckmaster’s Civil War activity. I’ve just received about 400 pages of military and mostly pension records. What company did your DNA testing? I just had my tested through ancestory.com and my sister had her’s done through another company. I’ll blog about those results when I get time. My results was about the same percentages as your DNA testing. Warm regards, Andrea
It would be interesting to do a dna project centered around the Peter Tyler/Eveline Manerva Price Family. I know of 7 of my own familiy members who descend from this couple who have had dna testing… some at FTDNA and some on 23andMe.
I myself am a direct female descendant of Eveline’s and had the FMS (most complete mtdna testing). It came out as H31a (genbank current designation). Meaning European and most likely Scottish origins of the direct maternal lineage. Further implication is that any Cherokee heritage would come from Eveline’s father if she truly was half.
Eveline>Jane>Martha Moore>my grandmother, a Shaw >my mother, a Holley
We have all posted our results at gedmatch.com to help find cousins and assist in the exchange of information. Gedmatch can accommodate results from both FTDNA family finder and 23andMe relative finder tests.
I would love to exchange information with other members of this family.
If there are enough on FTDNA, I would be willing to assist with a formal project, to include mtdna, ydna and autosomal dna of suspected descendants of this Tyler family.
Angelia, Thanks for your interesting post. I had autosomal dna testing performed through ancestry.com and my sister had another type of dna testing performed. Both of us showed almost all European origins, despite rumors of Native American heritage on both sides of the family. I’ve haven’t done much with my results, other than matching up with one close cousin and a few distant cousins on ancestry. I’ll take a look at gedmatch and see if the data from either my sister or me can be used on that site. DNA testing may really change genealogy research, once some of us figure out how to use it. Sound like you are well on your way. Warm regards, Andrea
Yes, we are showing typical European/UK heritage admixture patterns too, even when assessed by acknowledged experts and advanced hobby sites.
My kit at gedmatch is M204108.
If you do a comparison to the whole database, you will see a list of matches at gedmatch. All those through the estimated 4th gen level are known relatives. There is a wide variety of tools found nowhere else that can assist in finding common ancestry. One of my favorites is the one that looks to see who matches on a specific segment of a chromosome.
One tool, and I need to update my data, compares gedcoms for possible common ancestors. It’s worthwhile even if you can’t load dna data for now.
I don’t have any experience with the testing at AncestryDNA but am hearing good things from those who have used it. I may also look into National Geographic’s new Geno 2.0 when it becomes available at FTDNA in 2013.
See this link about AncestryDNA by CeCe Moore.
“When I asked him whether the raw data would be formatted in such a way that will be compatible with uploading to third party sites such as Gedmatch.com, he assured me that it would.”
Meaning, it may soon, sometime in 2013, be possible to load raw data to gedmatch.com for comiparison with those who have tested at FTDNA or 23andMe.
This link to Roberta Estes’ blog also has relevant data:
“Bennett also said that if and when Ancestry does provide the raw downloadable data to their clients, they (FTDNA) will provide a tool to upload so that you can compare 23andMe and Ancestry both with your Family Finder matches.”
(FTDNA currently accepts transfers of raw data from 23andMe Relative Finder for a small fee.)
When AncestryDNA does provide the data in a downloadable format, and assuming it is compatible with the other major players, there will also be a host of other tools available for various kinds of analysis. http://www.23andyou.com/3rdparty
Thanks so much for the additional information. The links in your message are interesting. There is so much for me to learn about DNA testing.
I’ve just ordered Family Finder FTDNA kits for both my mother and father. My mother’s paternal line goes through Eveline Manerva Price, so we won’t be able to help with the mDNA Price line.
We now have 5 Tyler/Price descendants in my family line tested at FTDNA and I have a gedmatch set up for me. Contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org and let’s see how we can work together on this project.
Andrea, I am so excited to find this blog! My grandfather was Dewey Elliott, son of James Monroe Elliott, Jr. I, too, have recently become involved in geneology. Your blog is similar to what I had planned to do (but never got around to it!). Thank you for sharing your information!
Wow, so we share Monroe Elliott and Margaret Eoff Elliott as ancestors. They are my 3rd great grandparents. I have a paper trail through this Margaret back to the immigrant Eoff and Knox’s. I would like to find more records to Margaret. I only have a picture of her headstone, showing her birth and death dates and the fact that she was married to M. Elliott. That picture was taken by another cousin. If you ever learn of a birth, marriage, death certificate or any other documentation that ties her directly to her father John W. Eoff, I would love to have a copy or know the source.
I look the name of my blog – “After Toil Comes Rest” from the tombstone of your great-grandfather, James Monroe Elliott, Jr. While “After Toil Comes Rest” is the name of an old hymn, the statement really describes the life of our ancestors as they moved west with the frontier. You’re great-grandfather was a very well respected pioneer in Texas. Do you have a copy of his obit? If not, let me know and I can email you a copy.
I have much of my research on ancestry.com. If there is anything I can help you with in our common family line, let me know. And feel free to post your research on the Elliott/Eoffs on this site as well. Have fun with your research.
Andrea, I am the Musgrove Y-DNA Surname Project administrator which includes all variations of the name, including Musgrave, etc. I recommend Family Finders at FTDNA or 23andMe for autosomal (atDNA) testing. 23andMe has recently done some upgrading on their NAI ancestry composition. And if you all can get a parent (both would be great, but one helps) and several siblings (if a person has any), that is good because as you probably know even siblings do not get the same atDNA. I know there is at least 1 Musgrove descendant of my Edward of Musgrove’s Mill, SC at 23andMe. Though we do not share segments of the same atDNA from the Musgrove’s (my Mother’s lines), we have a proven paper trail so we are still cousins. She does happen to match me on my Father’s lines so we are trying to find our MCRA there. – Revis
Revis – you have wonderful timing. The day before your message, I ordered Family Finders FTDNA kits for both my Musgrove father and my mother. I included the Y-DNA for my father and additional maternal DNA testing for my mother. Our paper trail leads us through Samuel Musgrove, the Revolutary War patriot, to Moses Musgrove. We’ll see if the DNA confirms that paper trail. My folks sent their samples in last week. I look forward to working with you, as I learn more about DNA testing. Andrea
Hello Andrea: I am fascinated with your details re the Llewelyn Conspiracy. I have an ancestor I am trying to verify, Josiah Nichols of Bertie County NC. In some accounts he is part of this Tory conspiracy, but he is also used as a patriot (provided supplies) in some DAR, SAR applications. Has your research located anything on Josiah Nichols? And, can you share where you found the details of the participants of the L conspiracy. Thank you very much
I’m sorry for the delay in getting back with you. I’ve been traveling without easy access to my research materials. It’s certainly interesting collecting the family stories. Though, I’m been working on documenting my resources in a more professional manner.
As I review my materials, I don’t see the name Nichols mentioned. Here is one link that does list many of the implicated conspirators – http:www.rawlins.org/loyalists. I did most of my research on line with just a google search. If that link doesn’t work for you or if you want some of my saved research articles, send me a message and I’ll send the attachments to you.
Andrea Musgrove Perisho
Andrea — I match you and your father at FTDNA Family Finder. This is through the Francis line, which goes back through Harris, Casto, Gandy and Dawes lines. Did you put your dna into Gedmatch.com? I would like to discuss our lineage. I also found your Musgrove family listed in a book I have called “Descendants of Joseph Francis of Maryland and Virginia.”
Jeannine – Thanks for getting in touch with me. Looks like we have discussed a possible Gandy link in the past. Please email me at email@example.com to discuss our lineage. That’s a great book – I love the stories about the first Francis in America. Andrea
Thanks, Andrea. I just found your message — and am going to send an e-mail regarding our autosomal matches at Family Tree DNA. Now, to try to figure out what chromosomes represent Francis, Harris, Casto, Gandy, Dawes, etc.
On another note, this line also represents my Mtdna line back to the unknown Mrs. Thomas Gandy, Jr., who is my “mtdna brick wall.” And this is very unusual — to match both on autosomal and mtdna.
Thank you! Jean Alexander
Jean – Wow, that is interesting to match on the autosomal and mtdna. It may be from two different lines, since we get lots of matches from many generations back with the mtdna, but we’ll have fun seeing what we turn up. It will probably be next week, before I get a chance to look at that. I’ll contact you through FTDNA after I take a look. Warm regards, Andrea
Andrea, I just found your post, Pauline Via sent me the site and I was thrilled to find it! I do not descend directly from any of your family, but I am kin by marriage to a lot of your family. I have been doing genealogy since 1970. Maxine Gilliam, Pauline, Ann Minter, and more recently Karen Montford Kerr have helped one another. Ann and Karen were married to my cousins, but the cousins let them get away, but I keep them tied close to me as they do research also! I love your blog, and will plan to read it from the inception! This way I will be able to keep up!!! I love that you have so many photos and I will be adding information gleaned from you into my own research. I was curious, you did not mention a “S. C. “Celia” McIntire who married an Uncle of mine, John “Yank” Glaze. Merry Christmas to you and yours, and THANK YOU for sharing your information!
Thanks for your nice comments and for reaching out to me. I’m back working at my blog after some travel and the holidays.
When you find something in my blog that needs correcting, please let me know.
Could you give me a little more information about S.C. “Celia” McIntire? I don’t find her in my family tree. Who where her parents and grandparents? If you have an ancestry family tree, you can see my tree at http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/62408347/family .
Hello. Eveline Minerva Price Tyler was my gggg grandmother on my grandmother’s side of the family. My grandmother was Betty Hazel Holder, whose dad was James Troy Holder, whose mother was Mary Minerva Tyler, whose dad was James Buchanan Tyler, whose parents were Peter Adam Tyler and Eveline Minerva Price Tyler. (My last name is Price, but it’s not the same family, if that’s confusing.)
Does anyone have any information on who Eveline’s parents were and where she was born in North Carolina, please? This site is great. Thanks,
Brandi Price, North Texas
Thanks for your nice comments. I’ve just sent you an guest invitation to my ancestry.com account, so you can see what I have on the Price line. I’ve pulled information from other cousins genealogy and from ancestry.com family trees to develop that family line.
I’d love to work with you to make connections on the Price and the Holder line. I’m currently working on a paternal great grandmother’s ancestry, but the Holder’s are also a line that needs further research.
In your research related to the Pearcy family’s Dawes Application, did you view the actual application packet? I have seen the later paperwork from the lawsuit, but do not have access to the original application (and can’t afford the $30 to order it from the Oklahoma Historical Society). My husband is related to Tryphena Pearcy through one of her siblings and we are also trying to sort out the story of Choctaw descent as it has been told on our side of the family as well.
Thanks for contacting me.
I have not seen the actual application packet. From the link in the post – digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/nam/manuscripts/cornish_melven_002_010.pdf , you can see the documents in the file at the University of Oklahoma library. The file has 20 pages, with the most recent documents first. Page 20 shows the oldest document where their petition for citizenship was approved by the chancery court.
Later reading on the Dawes process (and I can’t find where I’ve read this) indicated first the U.S. government (maybe the chancery court) approved all the applications for citizenship. Then the Choctaw and Chickasaw Nations hired a law firm and required reapplication. Many of those reapplication cases were denied, saving the Nations many millions of dollars in those days dollars.
In looking through my research, I did find a link about proving your Indian heritage, that might be interesting to you. http://www.okgenweb.org/~itgenweb/
In addition to the denial of citizenship in the OU library package, on fold3, there is information applying for citizenship for a later born child of James Wesley Piearcy and Bertie Wellington. That application for citizenship was also denied, based on the denial of James Wesley Piearcy’s petition.
I’d love to chat with you more. Please contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
My name is mike stiles and there was pearcy on my moms side . I have been trying to look up are family and came across your story . john w pearcy
I’d love to see how our families connect. Please contact me at email@example.com.
Thanks again for the info this website!
I was wondering if there was documentation for the children of Peter Eoff, specifically, Margaret Eoff. I am descended through Jacob and Peter Eoff through Margaret, Peter’s daughter. Margaret married Peter Lee.
Thanks for reading my site. I’ve not done a lot of research specifically on Peter Eoff’s daughter Margaret. On ancestry.com family trees, the only documentation giving evidence for Margaret is the 1850 U.S. Census, District 13, White, Illinois, population schedule, page 615 (handwritten), family 628, Peter and Margaret Lee; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://ancestry.com :accessed 18 Jan 2014), citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 132. The census lists Peter Lee as an 80 M farmer, Margt as a 77 F, Jessee as a 32 M farmer, Elizabeth 22 F, Margt 1 F and George 11 M. Hope this is helpful. If you have additional records, I’d love to see them.
Have you or any of your relatives done DNA testing? I’m managing several kits for my family and love to find family. If so, please send me a message at firstname.lastname@example.org and we’ll go from there. Though we are related so far back, we probably couldn’t find a DNA match, but if you’ve already tested, we could check it out.
Hi my name is Carol Musgrove Everhart . Not sure just how I got to this link but I was looking up
Julius e Musgrove of Sierra vista , az . He was my 1st cousin . My fathers, earl Edison Musgrove
Was the youngest child of “wm & Mary s. Musgrove of Leander , pitkin La. Are we linked in the Musgrove genealogy ?
Thanks for contacting me. I’m sending you the link to my Ancestry tree via a separate email.
My Musgrove line was from Pennsylvania>Indiana>Oklahoma. I’m not familiar with Musgroves in Louisiana, but you never know.
If any of your relatives are have done DNA testing, let me know. I manage kits for several Musgrove relatives in my family and am also co-administrator of the Y-DNA Musgrove project on Family Tree DNA (FTDNA).
I am very new to genealogy research and initially started in order to gain membership into DAR. My search, sadly, ended when I found your post on my would be patriot, Peter Jordan Tyler (posted Jan. 31, 2013). He is my 4x great maternal grandfather. I have no information/official docs for him and would love any information you would be willing to share. It is apparent from your blog that your super sleuthing genealogy skills are very superior! Any advice on how to get started? Insert Genealogy For Dummies reference here.
Thanks for contacting me and for your nice comments.
Another Tyler researcher sent me the information about the article. Crow, Jeffrey J. “Tory Plots and Anglican Loyalty: The Llewelyn Conspiracy of 1777.” North Carolina Historical Review 55 (January 1978): 1-17.
As far as DAR membership don’t give up. Look at other lines who could have served on the U.S. side of the Revolutionary War. While I had Tyler Loyalists, I have proven 5 other DAR patriots and have about 50 more possible patriots, when I get time to work on them. Contact your local DAR chapter. The chapter registrar should be able to determine if you have other patriots in your family line. As the registrar for my DAR chapter, in the past 18 months, I’ve helped 20 women with their DAR applications. That’s why I don’t have time to work on my own!
For a genealogy book, I’m recommending George G. Morgan’s How to Do Everything: Genealogy. The 4th edition came out recently.
If you or any of your Tyler relatives have taken a DNA test, let me know. I manage several kits for family members including several Tyler descendants. It’s always great with DNA confirms our research.
Andrea, I am also a descendant of Peter Jordan Tyler. I have been struggling with this line and would love to compare trees with you. Mygrandpa (who is also a descendant) has taken a DNA test.
Thanks for your comments. I look forward to seeing how your grandpa’s DNA matches my family. I’ve sent you an email with more details.
Dear Mrs. Perisho,
Checking my autosomal matches at GEDMatch, you are listed as the genetic cousin with longest shared DNA segment (34.8 centimorgans on Chromosome 3) — well, not counting my dad, of course, with whom I share 3587.1 centimorgans of DNA. Since my dad’s heritage is Romanian and Ukrainian, I’m guessing our common ancestor is on my late mother’s side of the family somewhere. Her heritage is fairly standard white European American, with most of her ancestors on her dad’s side tracing back to New England colonists, and most of her mom’s ancestors tracing back to Switzerland and Germany. I’m curious to see where our families tie together.
Thanks for contacting me. Sorry for the delay in getting back with you. I manage DNA kits for several family members. The kit you match is one of several in a group of cousins, and you only match the one kit. So it’s likely you match that person through the other side of the person’s family line, not the Buckmaster/Piearcy line that I’m researching. I generally try to build out my cousins family trees to help other researchers. In this case, I wasn’t able to build that tree back very far with one set of great grandparents from Sweden. I’ll send you a link to my Ancestry tree to your email address. Good luck in your research.
Andrea, great & informative blog about the Musgrove’s. I descend from a Samuel Williams who lived & died in Sadsbury Twp, Lancaster County PA. In 1747 he bought land from a Moses Musgrave. I’m guessing from the blog & when Moses Sr diex, that this may be Moses Jr. And in Samuel’s will of 1777, he mentions a kinswoman, Jean Musgrove. Could this be Moses Jr’s sister? If so, how are they related? In the will, he also mentions a John Musgrove. Brother of Moses Jr? Lots of questions on my end. Have a great day!!
Thanks for your inquiry on my blog. Sorry for the delay in getting back with you. I’ve emailed my family tree to you to see if that helps your research.
The Musgrave line has been well researched by others so I haven’t researched that line myself much, just enough to prove my lineage for the DAR.
Two books that might be useful in your research are A History of A Quaker Branch of the Musgrave Family by Stanley Musgrave Shartle published in 1995 and A History of the Moses Musgrave Family Quakers Pennsylvania, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, Kansas and Further West by Duane and Marie Wilson Musgrave published in 1998.
You’re doing your research correctly finding land records and wills. Good luck in your research.
I have started a tree of jOHN Musgraves descendents it currently has 680 names in Indiana,Illinois,Arkansas,Missouri,California ,Texas ,Tennessee NC,Arizona I would love people to review it and see if they can add more of correct.
If anyone has more information for Steve, let me know and I’ll have him contact you. Andrea
I am a direct descendant of Rufus Black Tyler, son of John Tyler and Sarah Catherine Jones, son of James Tyler and Sylvia Markham. There has been some controversy in my family for years as to whom James’ parents were. My John Tyler’s father died when he was about 5 yrs old so his knowledge of the Tyler line was very limited. My grandmother and ggrandmother were very adamant that James’ father was NOT Peter Jordan Tyler. After reading about the Llewelyn conflict I wonder if James and his descendants made that claim to save their reputation! Great information! My mother and I recently had our DNA tested through Ancestry. Surprise, surprise, when some of our DNA matched with descendants of Peter Jordan Tyler’s siblings! I would love to work with others and their DNA to find out more. I also have an aunt and a couple of cousins who have tested their DNA through Ancestry.
Thanks for contacting me through the blog. I’ve sent you an email to work on our DNA matches.
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