The First Musgrave in Our Family in America

John Musgrave came to American in 1682, when he was 13 or 14 years of age. He was a Quaker and came as indentured servant* with Valentine Hollingsworth, living with Hollingsworth and his family for about four years in Delaware.

John’s father, Oswin Musgrave, most likely made the arrangements for John’s passage to America, planning to follow shortly with the rest of the family.

John was born in Belfast, Ireland in about 1668. His older brother, Moses, and parents, Oswin and Elizabeth, soon joined him in what is now New Castle County, Delaware near the present Pennsylvania-Delaware border. The earliest record is a warrant to John and Moses Musgrave to buy 200 acres of land, dated the November 2, 1689. This was just seven years after William Penn had founded his colony in Pennsylvania.

John went on to become a successful yeoman farmer and a representative of the Township, as well as a provincial representative with William Penn. His family has been extensively researched as has his father Oswin.** Since my direct ancestor is his brother, Moses, I’ll focus on Moses in a later post, after introducing his father and brothers. 

Oswin Musgrave

Oswin (first name also spelled Owen, Oswyn, Ossman and Oswin and last name also spelled Musgrove or Moosgrave on various documents) was the father of John and Moses. There is a lot of speculation about Oswin’s background. Oswin means “God’s friend”. There is speculation the name may be an adopted name. If so, we may never learn who his parents were. In “The Ejected of 1662: Cumberland & Westmorland; Their Predecessors and Successors” by Benjamin Nightingale there are quite a few references to a grandson of Sir Simon Musgrave who some speculate may be Oswin’s father.

Musgrave is a very old and noble English name with debate on which was first, a Musgrave from Germany via France with William the Conqueror or the English ones who formed the village of Greater Musgrave. Interestingly, Quakerism in Ireland was started by William Edmundson (1627-1712) who was born at Little Musgrave, England. The earliest records of Ireland have been lost by fire, leaving us to speculate on our Oswin Musgrave’s move from England to Ireland, and then on to Pennsylvania. That’s for other historians to research. Here’s what we do know.

 Oswin MUSGRAVE was born about 1640 in Cumberland County, England, some say at Eden Hall. He had died by 1687 in Chester County, Pennsylvania at age of 47. Oswin is thought to have moved from England to North Ireland about 1649, with his parents.  Oswin married Elizabeth last name unknown in 1665 in Armagh County, Ireland.*** Oswin and Elizabeth were Quakers. Elizabeth was born in 1644 in Armagh County, Ireland and died in 1698 in Chester County, Pennsylvania. Their sons were:
i. Moses Musgrave Sr.-born 1667 in Belfast, Armagh Co., Ireland; died Lancaster Co., PA at age 59.
ii. John Musgrave Sr.-born in 1669 in Belfast, Armagh Co., Ireland; died Chester Co., PA at age 76.
iii. Thomas Musgrave was born in America and buried in Darby, Delaware County, Pennsylvania.
iv. Abraham Musgrave was born in America and buried in Darby, Delaware County, Pennsylvania.
v. Aaron Musgrave was born in America. We have no details on his death.

Oswin and Elizabeth left Belfast, Ireland arriving in port on the Delaware River in 1682.**** In 1683, Oswin bought 100 acres of land near his son John’s 200 acres. By 1687, Elizabeth was referred to as Widow Musgrave. In 1689, Elizabeth Musgrave was one of twelve women impaneled as a jury; in Quaker communities, women served as jurors on trials with women defendants.  Elizabeth was still alive on November 28, 1697, when she was asked to bring consent for Moses to marry Patience Hussey.  

 “John, Aaron, Moses, Thomas and Abraham Musgr(o)ve were the first settlers in the valley of Sadsbury, Lancaster county. Their warrant bears date in the year 1713. They purchased nearly all the land in that rich valley from George and Caleb Pierce, cleared off their land, and erected themselves residences. . . They were members of the society of Friends … The old Musgrove burying ground was expressly reserved by Moses Musgrove… It was kept enclosed …but, it was plowed up long since …”*****

*Indentured servant – the historical practice of contracting to work for a fixed time, typically three to seven years, in exchange for transportation, food, clothing, lodging and other necessities during the term of indenture. Usually the father made the arrangements and signed the paperwork. Both men and women could become indentured servants; most were under the age of 21, and most became helpers on farms or house servants. They were not paid cash. It was a system that provided jobs and transportation for poor young people from the overcrowded European labor markets who wanted to come to the colonies where more workers were needed.

**“A History of the Quaker Branch of the Musgrave Family”, Stanley Musgrave Shartle, 1995.

***Ossman Moosgrave paid one hearth tax in County of Armagh, Ballynegirne, Oneilland, West Ireland, Ireland in 1664. Source: Hearth Money Roll, County Armagh,1664, p.47. This meant that he had one hearth in his home.

****“A History of the Quaker Branch of the Musgrave Family”, Stanley Musgrave Shartle, 1995.

***** History of Lancaster Co, Early Settlers and Eminent Men, Genealogical Publishing Co, Baltimore, 1974. contributed by Isaac Walker,.

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37 Responses to The First Musgrave in Our Family in America

  1. some points john Musgrave was born in Belleniskfrannel, Segoe Parish, County Armagh, Ireland, Belfast is in County Antrim. the Musgrave’s of America that descendants of Oswin are Strath/Clyde Britons in origin not Norman.The border ReiVer DNA project collected a number of samples from Musgrave’s in Northern Ireland England and the United States including some from my family. The majority of these have a common ancestor but the most common recent ancestor which date back before the Norman conquest. Since the Musgrave’s work Umbrian’s they would’ve spoke that branch of Welch before they assimilated the Germanic tongue of the angles, and no doubt their name for themselves was incomprehensible to Germanic speakers. So in all likelihood the name Musgrave relates to a medieval place description such as a mossy grave, a grave mean a flat green place not a cemetery. That would pretty much described the border country except for the Cheviot HIlls. By the time of the writing of the Doomsday book of William the Conqueror the Musgrave’s were already described as established in Cumbria as a martial and warlike family.

    It’s not unlikely the family were named after the place as well. There were Musgrave Peers and there still are, to the best of my knowledge all the Musgrave this except the branching Yorkshire are haplogroup R1b the so-called Atlantic modal. The one in Yorkshire which is probably not related but may be descended from the Norman Knight Musgrose carries the Nordic gene Ia1.

    There is nothing but legend to link Oswin Musgrave to Eden Hall, being a dissenter which was what both Presbyterians and Quakers were his family was likely displaced to Ulster during the plantation. Of 1622 1640 when King James I of England who was also James VI of Scotland scattered the border families. The border Reiver DNA project can still be found on family tree DNA.
    The Musgrave served the crown in military matters that were constantly being accused by their enemies as having loyalty to Scotland as well. Sir Thomas Musgrave himself said that borderers were English at their will and Scottish at their pleasure. Musgrave’s were Reivers and were listed as among the “Devil’s Dozen the 13 families most responsible for raiding in the West March. All the border families carried on long blood feuds with other families either English or Scottish and the Musgrave’s were no exception. There feuds with the Charlton’s and the Dacres lasted for centuries. All of this is well documented in George MacDonald Fraser’s book SteEl Bonnets history of the Border Reivers.

    The Musgrave family that went to Chester Pennsylvania spread to North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, and California. All of this happened between 1790 and 1840.

    • Andrea Musgrove Perisho says:


      Thanks for your great comments. You’ve done a lot research into the family and thanks for sharing. My father is haplogroup R1b1a2, tested at the 37 marker level on FTDNA. Since he was a match at that level to other men descended from Oswin, I haven’t done more testing. Do you know where I could see the information about the Atlantic modal and the Yorkshire line?

      I’ve collected the paper trail evidence to connect my family to Samuel Musgra(o)ve, a DAR Revolutionary War patriot, but have not conducted the research connecting Samuel back to Oswin. Other people have made that connection, but I haven’t seen the sources making that connection. At this point, I’m working on some more recent lines, but have more Musgrove research on my to-do list someday.

      My husband and I were fortunate to be able to travel to Scotland and England in May. In one of the northern England churches, I believe York Minster, I was pleasantly surprised to see an the burial tomb for Archibishop Musgrave, with a coat of arms with 5 balls. I’ll post that picture along with other family names seen on the trip, when I get time to wade through the 600 pictures from the trip. We’ll probably never be able to prove a family connection in England, unless DNA helps tie us to English families.

      If you have information about the DNA testing, please contact me directly at I did find the Border Reiver DNA project on FTDNA, with 4 Musgraves listed.

      Warm regards,


      • Hello, I am Director of Grampus Heritage ( We do European projects and some involve getting local people interested in culture and history. The Musgroves were a family of influence in Cumberland; a crest in Aspatria church is to the Musgraves of Hayton Castle (all dying in the 1700’s). The crest has ‘melusines’ = winged mermaids, which is what drew my attention to it. Hayton Castle are a partner in a project we run with 14 EU countries called PRIDE (Partnership for Rural Improvement & Development in Europe) – we recognise that cultural heritage is a tangible asset for sustainable jobs

        • I should say that often the spelling is Musgrave rather than Musgrove

          • In my Musgrave/Musgrove line, the surname was originally Musgrave with the spelling changed to Musgrove about 1880 in Oklahoma, USA. As the co-administrator of a Musgrove/Musgrave Y-DNA project on FTDNA, the majority of our matches appear to be descendants of Oswin Musgrave, but there are other sub-groups with different haplotypes. We’re a very small project so far and hope to learn more as more Musgrave/Musgrove men are tested for Y-DNA and join the project.

        • Thanks for contacting me and sharing the interesting information about the Musgraves. Do you know the meaning of the winged mermaids?

  2. Todd Haggard says:

    I have a John Muskgrave with no information, but his son John Markley Musgrave (1800) and Horatio Nelson Musgrave (1807-1871) was born in upstate New York around the Syracuse area. If you have any info on this branch of the Musgrave clan, I’d appreciate!

    Thank you,


    • Andrea Musgrove Perisho says:


      Thanks for your comment on my blog. I don’t have any information on Musgraves from upstate New York.

      Good luck on your research.


  3. Anandakos says:

    Ms. Perisho,

    Through which of Samuel David Sr.’s sons do you descend? I believe I’m descended through his great granddaughter Elizabeth Jane Musgrave Stout (1835-1926). She’s my great grandmother. The links are, I believe Samuel David Sr., David B Musgrave (1776-1865), Reverend James (1806-1888), and Elizabeth Jane.

    Since I don’t live anywhere near West Virginia or Pennsylvania, I’m getting this all from Ancestry in one form or another. I’m 100% confident that Elizabeth Jane Musgrave is my great grandmother. I have an original print of the same photograph that appears on several Ancestry nodes of hers posted by a different user. That was pretty interesting to discover.

    You sound like you’re a very careful researcher who doesn’t cotton to hearsay. So if you happen to have researched David B’s line from Samuel David Sr and I’ve made a mistake, I’d be very grateful to hear from you about it.

    Thank you,

    Richard Bullington

    • Richard,

      Thanks for your comments on my blog.

      I’ve only researched my direct line to Samuel Musgrave 1747-1834, which is Samuel>Moses>Enos>William Tate>William Walker (my great grandfather). I haven’t researched any of Samuel’s descendants lines. In a separate email, I’ll send you a link to my ancestry tree. I’ve never found documentation of a middle name for Samuel Musgrave 1747-1834, in my line, nor does the DAR have documentation of a middle name or initial. That doesn’t mean he didn’t have a middle name. If we share the same Samuel in our Musgrave line, I’d love to compare with you.

      It’s wonderful to have a photograph of your great grandmother. I live in south Florida, so have do a lot of on-line research as well with some research trips.

      Warm regards,

      Andrea Musgrove Perisho

      • Anandakos says:


        Turns out I was wrong. There are two nearly exactly contemporary David Musgraves and they are terminally confused in many online sources. David B (probably 1785-1865) is Elijah and Baasheba’s son and not the father of the Reverend James (1806-1888) who is definitely Elizabeth Jane’s father.

        David (MI unknown; 1776-1851) is the son of Samuel Musgrave, the Revolutionary War soldier and may or may not be the father of Reverend James. The fly in the ointment is the online photo of Reverend James’ original West Virginia death record. There’s a huge glare of white down the column with the parents’ names — wouldn’t you know it; the MOST important information for genealogy purposes is partially blotted out — which says “David & th Musgrave”. The David who is Samuel’s son married Catherine Arnett, and I don’t see how you can get “th” out of “Catherine”. Well, maybe an abbreviation “Cath”, but there’s no period.

        Since I know there are plenty of other Musgrave/Musgrove’s who came to America other than Oswin and his sons, I’m researching next steps.

        Thanks for sharing your excellent work so artfully.


        • Richard,

          Thanks for getting back with me. After your comments, I went to ancestry and saw how many trees had the David Musgrove married two women at the same time, having about 15 kids with each woman. Yes those two David Musgrove’s have certainly confused a lot of people on ancestry. Thanks for pointing that out and keeping it straight.

          Good luck with your research.

          Warm regards,

          Andrea Musgrove Perisho

          • Thea E Hollingsworth says:

            Dear Andrea, I’ve read you blog with great interest as I am a direct descendant if Valentine Hollingsworth! My we are lucky to have so much research available! So across the generations and the miles I bid you hello!!

  4. Ron Hyer says:

    I descend from Caleb Musgrave through his daughter Sarah. She married Thomas Morris. I believe Caleb was a descendant of Oswin. Can anybody help me prove this.

    • Ron,

      Thanks for your inquiry on my blog.

      I have Shartle’s book and the Duane & Marie Wilson Musgrave book. What other information do you have on Caleb, i.e. birth and death dates and places along with Caleb’s wife’s name if you have that? I’ll look for your Caleb in those books.

      Warm regards,

      Andrea Musgrove Perisho

  5. Shane Musgrave says:

    I am new to searching for my ancestry, but my wife and I are taking a trip to Ireland and renting a motorcycle for 10 days in July. The reason I picked Ireland is because I am pretty sure that is where my ancestry is from and would like to explore those portions of Ireland. Here is my dilemma, I have traced myself back to the first Aaron that came over from my line, but that is as far as I seem to be able to get. If you use some common sense by using name similarities, I would say that I am related somehow to the Musgrave’s that came over to PA and settled in Lancaster. Meaning Moses and Oswin’s Musgrave line, but their bother Aaron was born in PA and the Aaron (Born February 17 1760) I am looking for by all accounts from my father came over with his brother Isaac and was born in Ireland. He then married a Sarah (Woodrow) here in PA and settled in Columbia County, PA. If it helps I will include the information that I have been working on, and am 99% sure I have correct. I would love any assistance anyone would have, I have enjoyed the research thus far and it becomes frustrating to be stuck so close to the answer.

    Aaron, Sr. Musgrave born February 17, 1760 (In Ireland I believe) Wife Sarah (Woodrow) Musgrave

    Isaac W Musgrave 1792 – 1857
    Wife Hannah Musgrave 1810-1857

    Samuel C Musgrave Born 1822 Death August 7 1890 Rohrsburg Cemetary
    Wife 1 Christiana Musgrave 9 children Wife 2 Mary Musgrave 2 children

    Millard Musgrave Born April 8th 1850 Death August 24 1916 in Milltown, PA
    Wife Sarah E (Krouse) Musgrave Sister Emily J (Dewitt) Musgrave

    Charles Boyd Musgrave Born August 9th 1883 Columbia County PA Death Oct.24 1936
    (Wife) Clara A (Mordan) Musgrave Birth Date: 26 Nov 1895 Death Date: Sep 1967
    Sister Mary Edith (Hassert) Musgrave

    Franklin Musgrave Born 16 sept 1918 (Brother) Paul Musgrave born 1916

    Maynard Musgrave (Father)

    Lonnie Musgrave (My Brother)

    Shane Musgrave (Me)

    • Shane,

      Thanks for reaching out to me through the blog. With your direct paternal Musgrave line, I would suggest Y-DNA for you. For example, my father’s Y-DNA matches other descendants of Oswin, matching our paper trail. Family Tree DNA is having a sale now, so this would be the best time to order the test.

      I am a co-administrator of the Musgrove/Musgrave project on FTDNA. I’ll send you more details in an email.

      Warm regards,

      Andrea Musgrove Perisho

  6. Leonza Tipton III says:

    X Hello Andrea, I’m curious of any information regarding Walker/ Tipton as my Great Granddad John Henry Tipton who’s wife was E. Boner and their son Leonza Lafayette Tipton Sr is my dads father who has same name only Jr. My grandad Leonza Tipton Sr married my grandmother Gladys B Walker from Tennessee. I also see we have common ancestor from back in 1200 ‘s era with Tipton / Musgrave lineage.? Thank you.

    • Thanks for your response to my blog. I’ve not done any research on Tiptons, so can’t help you. Congratulations on your research back to the 1200’s. While some of my lines have been well-researched, I’ll still trying to find more records on ancestors who died in Arkansas. Good luck on your research.

  7. Kenneth Musgrave says:

    Andrea, I am very impressed with your writing on this subject as well as the dialogue you have created. My own research built on previous family information firmly puts me as a direct grandson of John Musgrave the Quaker strictly through father and son heritage. I am wanting to join the Society of Colonial Wars which I would be eligible because of John’s representation of Lancaster County to the Provincial Assembly. With your background and knowledge of DNA projects, is there a particular DNA test that would help with my pursuing of membership to the previous mentioned Society. Your work is fantastic, thank you, for your reference the Musgrave’s i’ve descended from.

    Kenneth Musgrave

    John Musgrave the quaker 1669-1746
    James Musgrave Sr 1718-1790
    Thomas Musgrave 1762-1794
    Thomas Musgrave 1775-1820
    Burnell Musgrave 1800-1869
    Levi Musgrave 1836-1910
    Robert B Lee Musgrave 1876-1947

    • Thanks for contacting me through my blog. I apologize for the delay in getting back with you. By now, you may have already answered your question. While I’m not familiar with the requirements for membership in the Society of Colonial Wars with your direct paternal line to John Musgrove, DNA testing could be very useful and interesting. The best test to order is a 67 marker Y-DNA test from the company Family Tree DNA. Many times FTDNA will have that test on sale for Father’s Day. If that test is beyond your budget, a 37 marker test is less expensive and would probably still be enough information to make the connection.

      After testing, join the Musgrove/Musgrave Y-DNA project on FTDNA. I am co-administrator for that project, where my father is tested and matches other descendants of Oswin Musgrave. I’ve tested my father with Big-Y. Over the summer, I’ll study that and write that up for the blog. Having more Musgrave/Musgrove/spelling variations in the project will help define family lines.

  8. sharon musgrave lively says:

    Musgrave is hard to trace for me my line goes; Ralph Musgrave (father) Franklin Musgrave (G father) James Wesley ( GGgrandfather) Samule G Musgrave 1806-1872(3x Ggrandfather) Samuel Musgrave1765-1845 ( 4xGgrandfather) now Im confused I thought I came from Moses line then familysearch says John me and my brother had the DNA done through 23andme they gave me any Musgrave matches will try to keep up with your blog

    • Hello,

      Thanks for contacting me.

      I haven’t looked at the FamilySearch Musgrave line. However, Duane and Marie Wilson Musgrove in their book – A History of the Moses Musgrave Family, Quakers, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky… – have this line for Samuel G. Musgrove with him being generation 6, then Samuel-5th gen; John-4th gen; John-3rd gen, Moses-2nd gen; Oswin – 1st gen. Duane and Marie Wilson Musgrove state:
      *John-4th gen was born in Chester Co, PA c 1739 and died c 1812 in Carter Co, TN, married Mary unknown in PA c 1758 with Mary’s death after 1800.
      *John-3rd gen was b Chester Co, PA after 1712/3 and died about 1772 in Lancaster Co, PA, wife unknown.
      *Moses-2nd gen was born in Belfast, Northern Ireland c 1667 and died about 5 Mar 1725/6 in Lancaster Co, PA. He married Elizabeth in Chester Co, PA c 1700.
      *Oswin-1st gen was born we think in Cumberland England c 1640 and died before 1687 in PA, married to Elizabeth.

      If you know a Musgrave man who would be interested in Y-DNA testing at FTDNA, we have a Musgrave Y-DNA project with several descendants of Oswin forming a group. Perhaps someday that DNA testing will lead us back to Oswin’s origins in England.

      Good luck in your research,

      Andrea Musgrove Perisho

      • Sherman Weimer says:

        Just found this site and wanted to let you know I enjoyed it. I descend from the 4th generation John Musgrave (who was born in Chester County, Pennsylvania and died in Tennessee) via his daughter Lydia, who was born in about 1768. She married William Dunn on October 7, 1788 in Washington County, Virginia, so this Musgrave family must have stopped there at least briefly on their way from Pennsylvania to Tennessee. William Dunn is believed to have been Scots-Irish, born in Northern Ireland and immigrated around the time of the Revolutionary War. He and Lydia Musgrave remained there on the North Fork of the Holston River, and their children married into many Scots-Irish families. I’m not finding many records of John Musgrave in Washington County, so I assume he did not remain there long.

        • Thanks for contacting me through the blog about our shared Musgrave ancestors.

          It’s amazing how much these early ancestors moved. Tracing them is a challenge, especially in Virginia with so many lost records. Good luck with that research.

          I’ve been the DAR registrar for our local chapter and am now on the state lineage research team helping with difficult applications, so the DAR website is always my first stop when researching people of the Revolutionary War era (both men and women). William Dunn b circa 1759 in Dublin Ireland d before 2-16-1819 in Washington Co VA m Lydia Musgrave. RW service in Massachusetts in the 3rd reg of Lt Dragoons, with the capts named, has four applications through the son Samuel. You don’t have to be a member to see some of this information., then genealogy, then ancestors tab. I also checked the descendants’ tab, to see if William and Lydia had other patriots, but they didn’t. If their son Samuel is your line, it’s sometimes interesting to order the supporting documents for the earlier DAR application. Sometimes, there is nothing useful, but sometimes you find something interesting.

          Good luck in your research,

          Andrea Musgrove Perisho

          • Sherman Weimer says:

            Thanks for responding so quickly! I descend from William Dunn and Lydia Musgrave’s daughter Elizabeth, who married Caleb Logan (one of two of their daughters who married into the Logan family). I’ve seen some of the DAR information regarding William Dunn, and some Dunn researchers believe it may contain some inaccuracies (although that doesn’t seem to be based on any substantiated records.) Specifically, they question the Dublin birth, suspecting he was Scotts-Irish from Northern Ireland, based largely on his settlement among Scots-Irish families in Washington County, Virginia.
            My question for you is whether or not you know when or why Lydia’s father, John Musgrave, left Chester County and eventually settled in Tennessee? Did he or members of his family obtain land grants via service in the Revolutionary War, or were they still practicing Quakers who avoided military service? I have long wondered if William Dunn traveled with the Musgrave family from Pennsylvania in southwest Virginia, where he married Lydia Musgrave in 1788. When William Dunn made his will in Washington County in January of 1819 he requested that two of their sons remain on the family plantation to take care of Lydia, but instead of leaving them the plantation he deeded them a tract of land he had in Kentucky. I assume he probably acquired this via a grant for military service, and was curious if this was the case for the Musgrave family as well.

          • I’ve done no research on this John Musgrave; so I have no information about his migration, land grants, or religious practices. My Samual Musgrave, son of Moses, was a DAR patriot with service as a spy, basically a scout watching Indian movements; he moved from PA to what is now Monongalia County, WV and received a pension but no land grants that I’ve found.

            To research KY and VA land grants, I suggest you check out this website for Virginia and Old Kentucky Patent Series. I didn’t find either William Dunn or John Musgrave in either the Virginia Patent Series or the Kentucky Patent Series. Most men who obtained a military grant sold them. That’s how my Musgrave line ended up in Clermont County, Ohio, with his father-in-law buying land that was originally from another man’s military land grant. So you have to trace the deeds back to the original purchaser.

            Good luck.

        • Jeffrey w Thomas says:

          John ended up in Sullivan County, TN after Washington and selling his property in 1795 (see below). His son John Jr. and Moses were there as well. Sullivan Co is just south of Washington Co. They share the split city of Bristol, VA/TN.

          Property 15 Oct 1795 • Washington County, Virginia
          William King purchases of 150 acres at the “Salt Lick” from John Musgrave for 500 pounds on Oct. 28, 1795. Musgrave had bought it Oct 18 for 80 pounds

          Residence 1796 • Sullivan, Tennessee, United States
          Tax list. John Musgrove 200 acres; John Musgrove Jr. 1 white person, 1 horse

          Residence 1797 • Sullivan, Tennessee, United States
          John Musgrove, 200ac; John Musgrove; Moses Musgrove

          Census 1800 • Sullivan County, Tennessee, USA
          The 1800 census schedules for Tennessee no longer exist as they were burned by the British during the War of 1812.

          Census 1810 • Sullivan County, Tennessee, USA
          The 1810 census schedules for Tennessee no longer exist as they were burned by the British during the War of 1812.

          Death Bef. 8 Jun 1812 • Sullivan County, Tennessee, USA
          Jacob Smith, enterer, 226 A. of 640 A. Entry 1356, Cert. of Surv. 201 by Luke Lea to (HEIRS) of John Musgrave 190 A. both sides of Watauga R. incl. plantation of sd Smith & Julus Duggard w Fish Springs. Reg Carter. 12 Feb 1816-7 Sep 1816. 8 Jun 1812

        • Jeffrey w Thomas says:

          I just today found a record in the Friends (Quaker) archives showing a progression of treats (conversations and investigations) of the Darby, Chester/Philadelphia Meeting House regarding complaints about John Musgrave. These culminated in a meeting on 29 Oct 1778 whereby John Musgrave was removed from the Friends Society for being seen joined with the British Army as a Wagon Master. I have found no record of his muster into the British Army, but that same year in 1778 he is on the Cumberland County, PA on the Tax List. By 1779 his son Samuel is on the list as well.

  9. Robin Brock says:

    My mother’s family has traced us back to John the Quaker Musgrave as a direct descendant. My great great grandmother was Amelia Musgrave who was born in 1879 and lived in Arizona. I’ve done a DNA test through and would love to know more or be apart of he DNA project. I very much enjoy the information shared and will pass it on to my family. We’ve all read The last of the old time Outlaws about our relative George West Musgrave. Thanks for the info!


    • Robin,

      Thanks for your interest in our family history and DNA.

      Unfortunately early as our Musgrave line arrived in the North America, autosomal DNA is not very useful since half your segments are lost with each generation. After 4 generations difference, half of cousins won’t share DNA.

      That’s why YDNA, passed from father to son, is more useful. It has a slow mutation rate and is past almost identically from father to son. If you know any men with Musgrave surname who would be willing to test, we have a surname group on Family Tree DNA, with several groups of men tested, including the Quaker group.

      Warm regards,

      Andrea Musgrove Perisho

  10. Wadene C Musgrave says:

    Hello! I believe I am a descendant of John the Quaker Musgrave (John-James, Sr.-Thomas-Thomas-Calvin-Daniel L.-Daniel L.-Joseph-me!

    I can’t seem to figure out Oswin – are there two, both born 1640, one in England, one in Ireland?

    thanks for any help you can provide – I show Oswin to have a mother named Juliana, and a mother named Elizabeth. Fathers named John, or Richard. ?

    • Thanks for your questions from my blog.

      From the research that I’ve read, Oswin Musgrave was found paying an Irish hearth tax, with no documentation found before then. I’ve seen speculation that Oswin was an assumed name that he took on when he became a Quaker with Oswin meaning “God’s friend”. A name change would make it very difficult to trace Oswin back further.

      People assume he was born in England, where the surname originated, with no Irish origins ever found for the name. With no record linking him to his parents, unless there is research that I’ve not seen, any parent for Oswin would just be speculation.

      We are using Y-DNA to try to link Musgrave men to Oswin, in the hopes of finding a British Isles connection. So far, we have three distinct and separate groups of Musgrave men on Family Tree DNA, based on their Y-DNA testing. My father is descended from Oswin. He and another descendant have taken the Big Y test and match exactly.

      If you know a man with the surname of Musgrave/Musgrove who thinks he is a direct male descendant of Oswin, I’d encourage a Y-37 test at Family Tree DNA. Depending on which group he matches, then a specific test can be ordered to see if he matches Oswin’s descendants.

      Warm regards,

      Andrea Musgrove Perisho

  11. Daniel T Musgrave says:

    My name is Daniel T Musgrave, my father Duane H. Grand father Nathan T, Great grandfather William H. And Great great grandfather John Born in Ill about 1833 and died in Dixie Washington about 1907 i am not sure but belive his father was Edmund brothef of Caleb

    • Thanks for your response on my blog. We probably share early Musgrave ancestors, with both of our Musgrave lines from the Pennsylvania area.

      Since you are a direct male line descendant with the Musgrave surname, you may want to consider Y-DNA testing on Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). It would be interesting to see how you match other descendants of Oswin Musgrave, the Quaker Musgrave who came into the colonies about the time of William Penn. Y-DNA gets passed from father to son, like a surname, with only a few changes over the centuries.

      Testing at the Y-37 level will be enough to see if you match Oswin’s group. A few men in our group have opted for the high level testing of Big Y-700, to help identify early origins. But I’d only recommend that test when it’s on sale. Either way the Y-37 and the more expensive testing will be on sale around Father’s Day.

      Warm regards,

      Andrea Musgrove Perisho

  12. Joey Desiato says:

    Great research, thank you, this helped me a lot too. I am also a descendant of the Musgraves on my mother’s side. I have been really trying to solidify the line completely. Wondering if you or anyone on here have Samuel Musgrave Jr. 1775 born in Pennsylvania married to Rebecca Scott. Their son, Samuel Musgrave married to Elizabeth Kenny and their daughter, Mary Ann Musgrave, born circa 1825 in Kentucky, who married into the Johnson family. If anyone knows any help will do. Thank you.

    • Joey,

      Thanks for your inquiry.

      While I’ve not done research on your line, others have Samuel Musgrave Jr. 1775 born in Pennsylvania married to Rebecca Scott as the son of Samuel Musgrave and Elizabeth Brand. Samuel Musgrave is a Daughters of the American Revolution patriot, named as Samuel Musgrove in the DAR GRS. This Samuel Musgrove/Musgrave is one of my DAR patriots. Several applications for DAR membership have been made through the son Samuel who was married to Rebecca Davis. The DAR has Samuel Davies Musgrave b PA 25 Jul 1778, d KY 1824 married Rebecca Davis no info on birth, died KY 1818. The most recent application through son Samuel Musgrove/Rebecca Davis does not have the middle name of Davies, so that may not be documented enough to meet current DAR standards. Applications have been made into the DAR through Samuel Musgrove/Rebecca Davis with their children Elizabeth and Benjamin. So if a woman in your family wanted to go into the DAR, you’d have to provide the documentation of that relationship and each generation up to that couple. The research on Samuel Musgrove/Rebecca Davis and Samuel Musgrove, the patriot, meets current standards and doesn’t have to be updated. Contact a local DAR registrar if you want to learn more about DAR applications. You don’t have to be a member of the DAR to use the DAR website or to order documents. Just log into, click on genealogy at the top of the page, then click on ancestor search and type MUSGROVE into the last name to see what you can find.

      Hope this is helpful. Good luck in your research.

      Andrea Musgrove Perisho

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